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    swapszone


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    Post  swapszone 17th April 2009, 10:54 pm

    Nitrogen in tires is becoming a popular replacement for standard air. Nitrogen is all around us... the air we breathe is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen and the rest is small amounts of other gasses. When it comes to tire inflation, nitrogen has many advantages over oxygen. With nitrogen tire inflation, improvements can be noted in a vehicle's handling, fuel efficiency and tire life through better tire pressure retention, improved fuel economy and cooler running tire temperatures.


    A few points to be clarified

    1. Air is 78%
    nitrogen, N2, and 21% oxygen, O2. So even if you put air in the tire,
    it's already 78% nitrogen. Many of the so called nitrogen generators
    don't produce much more than 90% nitrogen.

    2. At relatively low
    pressures (ie tire pressures) N2, O2 and water vapor will all behave as
    ideal gases, and follow PV=nRT. Pressure will increase or decrease to
    the same extent as the temperature increases or decreases regardless of
    which gas is in the tire. (Even at 300 psi, which is about 20 atm,
    there is little deviation from ideality.) Therefore the comments about
    N2 not changing in pressure as the temperature changes are without
    merit.

    3. The rate of effusion (or diffusion) of a gas through
    a porous membrane depends on the molar mass and to some degree on the
    molecular diameter. N2 and O2 are almost the same size and N2 is
    lighter than O2 (28 g/mol vs 32 g/mol) so if either gas were to effuse
    out of the tire, nitrogen would do it more quickly. Luckily, tires are
    designed not to be porous membranes.

    4. N2 and O2 both have
    essentially the same specific heat capacity, about 1.0 J/gK, and
    thermal conductivity, about 0.00026 W/cmK. Water vapor has a specific
    heat capacity of about 2 J/gK. But remember, water vapor will
    constitute less than 1% of the air in the tire. So the idea that N2 has
    different heat handling properties is also without merit.

    5.
    The ozone, O3, in the atmosphere, which is a ground level pollutant,
    will do a great deal more damage to your tires than the O2 inside the
    tire. For instance, don't leave a condom out in the air in Los Angeles
    for a few days. It will develop lots of tiny holes and weaken.

    How its done:

    1st all the air in the tires need to be removed and vacuum needs to be created..... and then Nitrogen is filled in the tires...

    Where its done:

    as of now.... Bombay Tires located at Milan Subway has this system.....
    pls u guys kno any other place please let us know....

    How much its costs:

    its seen on the web tht in US it costs around $10 per tire.....
    but in India .... it cost only Rs. 200/- for all 4 tires.... some places heard that its done for 100/- as well

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    Post  Crazy cat 18th April 2009, 10:34 am

    swapszone wrote:3. The rate of effusion (or diffusion) of a gas through a porous membrane depends on the molar mass and to some degree on the molecular diameter. N2 and O2 are almost the same size and N2 is lighter than O2 (28 g/mol vs 32 g/mol) so if either gas were to effuse out of the tire, nitrogen would do it more quickly. Luckily, tires are designed not to be porous membranes. 
    But i've read that Nitrogen filled tyres deflates slowly in case of puncture.

    swapszone wrote:Where its done: 

    as of now.... Bombay Tires located at Milan Subway has this system..... 
    pls u guys kno any other place please let us know.... 

    How much its costs: 

    its seen on the web tht in US it costs around $10 per tire..... 
    but in India .... it cost only Rs. 200/- for all 4 tires.... some places heard that its done for 100/- as well
    Where it is done? Here in Coimbatore, it is done in some big tyre shops. But now some fuel pumps have it too.
    How much it costs? Those tyre shops used to collect 200 for all tyres. But now these fuel pumps offer it for free. The equipment automatically deflates all the air and then fill the tyre with Nitrogen, free of cost.
    Vibhor
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    Post  Vibhor 18th April 2009, 3:07 pm

    Yes, I've heard of Nitrogen in tires, But didn't knew the postives though, Its also done here in Delhi in RKPuram, near to my place but haven't tried it yet.
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    Post  antriksh_t 19th April 2009, 9:39 am

    i filled my fiat palios Tires - had to drive my car back from rajkot to noida (abt 1100kms) - der was a SLIGHT increase in the fuel economy but i had to get it re-filled on the 9th day after the nitrogen filling. so i dont think it was really worth it..
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    Post  Vibhor 19th April 2009, 9:44 am

    antriksh_t wrote:i filled my fiat palios Tires - had to drive my car back from rajkot to noida (abt 1100kms) - der was a SLIGHT increase in the fuel economy but i had to get it re-filled on the 9th day after the nitrogen filling. so i dont think it was really worth it..
    How much did it cost to you?Or was it free?
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    Post  antriksh_t 19th April 2009, 1:26 pm

    @ Vibhor
    I payed 400 bucks for 5 tires... in Rajkot.
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    Post  Crazy cat 19th April 2009, 1:48 pm

    That's very high price for filling Nitrogen. Here in COimbatore, first we paid 200 for all tyres, but now it is free in petrol pumps.
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    Post  antriksh_t 19th April 2009, 6:03 pm

    Yeah i know..! the same thing was told to me by my Mangalore frnz... but i gathered info from all nitrogen fillers and sumhow every single one of em in rajkot had the exact same rate.
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    Post  Vibhor 19th April 2009, 9:28 pm

    antriksh_t wrote:@ Vibhor
    I payed 400 bucks for 5 tires... in Rajkot.
    oh, 400 for 5 tyres, Thats quite costly. 8O
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    Post  swapszone 21st April 2009, 10:06 am

    here in mumbai ... its not done free anywhere... most pumps equipped charge 100/- for 1st use and 50/- for refills... 400/- is way too expensive... i refilled my tyres almost after 6 months and about 7000 kms

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