Should toyota bring back its qualis

im_hummer_freak wrote:well qualis might be outdated. but i feel even today toyota's flawless engine is better than xylo.

You are right, Especially for hilly regions, Qualis was the best suited car because of its engine, Even the Innova is as good.

VT

I think Xylo's engine will better both of these Toyotas on hilly regions. That midrange punch is sure to get it moving quickly.

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but guys avanza has a 1.5 litre engine that is literally a slug!
it cant handle the weight of avanza!

Is that 1.5 lt a petrol or a diesel. records say that it goes from 0-100 in 12.8 secs. Thats pretty good for a car of that size.

man it is really crappy here in BKK
it lost to Honda JAzz which is a segment lower!

@ RR: man, the xylo suddenly seems to be good looking in front of the qualis!

@ hummer freak: xylo's engine is the CRDe engine from the scorpio which has been in the market for quite some time now & has not shown any signs of trouble till now.

raj_5004 wrote:@ RR: man, the xylo suddenly seems to be good looking in front of the qualis!

yeah it actually does looks good and time would surely make it look better then quite few other cars around.

@RR, that's why i said it would sell more as Taxis. They aren't worried much about the looks. Qualis still has good resale value, compared to any car in its category(with similar model, year, mileage) and that too its value increased after it was phased out, and that means it would sell well if it is launched again(but yeah pricing should be in the 7 lakhs range). And i agree that it can't take modern Xylo straight.

@napster, but still it is better. With those small tyres, Qualis would handle better than the likes of Safari, Scorpio, etc.. But above 100, it isn't good.

@dcargod, we talk about the durability of the engines.

@raj, :lol!: Xylo is quite a good looker but spoilt in some areas, like headlight, etc..
And CRDe engine hasnot been tested extensively like the Qualis' engine. Heard once about a Qualis getting award for clocking more than 5 lacs km with any work on engine. Toyota's reliability.

@CC, Still it won't be able to give tough competition to Xylo, Toyota should consider launching the Avanza!


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Road Rocket wrote:@CC, Still it won't be able to give tough competition to Xylo, Toyota should consider launching the Avanza!


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Crazy cat wrote:(but yeah pricing should be in the 7 lakhs range). And i agree that it can't take modern Xylo straight.

That's what i've mentioned. The pricing should be 7 lakhs and also it can't take Xylo(ultimate VFM with great features). But it would do some good numbers. It has a loyal fan base.

Crazy cat wrote:
@raj, :lol!: Xylo is quite a good looker but spoilt in some areas, like headlight, etc..
And CRDe engine hasnot been tested extensively like the Qualis' engine. Heard once about a Qualis getting award for clocking more than 5 lacs km with any work on engine. Toyota's reliability.

i agree on the styling part.
but coming to engines, mahindra engines rarely give any trouble. the car may rattle, power windows/fuses may go kaput, but the engine & gearbox goes on & on. about testing, lakhs of CRDe scorpios plying on indian roads are proof enough! yes, i agree that overall reliability factor of the toyota will be much better, but i assume even the xylo's engine is very reliable.
and very rarely you will find a car with 5 lakh kms on the odo. c'mon, if given a choice, which of the two will you decide- an outdated car with an engine which will run for 5 lakh kms (qualis) or a modern car whose engine may run for say 4 lakh kms (xylo)?

raj_5004 wrote:

Crazy cat wrote:
@raj, :lol!: Xylo is quite a good looker but spoilt in some areas, like headlight, etc..
And CRDe engine hasnot been tested extensively like the Qualis' engine. Heard once about a Qualis getting award for clocking more than 5 lacs km with any work on engine. Toyota's reliability.

i agree on the styling part.
but coming to engines, mahindra engines rarely give any trouble. the car may rattle, power windows/fuses may go kaput, but the engine & gearbox goes on & on. about testing, lakhs of CRDe scorpios plying on indian roads are proof enough! yes, i agree that overall reliability factor of the toyota will be much better, but i assume even the xylo's engine is very reliable.
and very rarely you will find a car with 5 lakh kms on the odo. c'mon, if given a choice, which of the two will you decide- an outdated car with an engine which will run for 5 lakh kms (qualis) or a modern car whose engine may run for say 4 lakh kms (xylo)?

i agree raj. thats true.
P.S. i dont like xylo's looks.

raj_5004 wrote:

Crazy cat wrote:
@raj, :lol!: Xylo is quite a good looker but spoilt in some areas, like headlight, etc..
And CRDe engine hasnot been tested extensively like the Qualis' engine. Heard once about a Qualis getting award for clocking more than 5 lacs km with any work on engine. Toyota's reliability.

i agree on the styling part.
but coming to engines, mahindra engines rarely give any trouble. the car may rattle, power windows/fuses may go kaput, but the engine & gearbox goes on & on. about testing, lakhs of CRDe scorpios plying on indian roads are proof enough! yes, i agree that overall reliability factor of the toyota will be much better, but i assume even the xylo's engine is very reliable.
and very rarely you will find a car with 5 lakh kms on the odo. c'mon, if given a choice, which of the two will you decide- an outdated car with an engine which will run for 5 lakh kms (qualis) or a modern car whose engine may run for say 4 lakh kms (xylo)?

It depends on the pricing. I wouldn't buy a Qualis at 8 lacs and will go for Xylo for sure. But if Qualis is launched with a price of 7 lcs, i would go for it, as it is better than Xylo in ride, handling, overall driving comfort, and more reliable(agree that Xylo is reliable too). But again, i doubt i could find many similar minded buyers. My love for Qualis is more.
My uncles have Qualis and Scorpio(old 2.6 crde). Their driving habits are rash on most occasions. They both abuse their vehicles a lot. Both vehicles had frequent long trips. Qualis has clocked above 140000kms. Also it is maintained by a local mechanic. The only difference you could spot is loss in performance a bit. But the Scorpio(above 75k kms, not sure of its exact current mileage) on the other hand, has a hard clutch, lots of rattles, loss in power(again only less), change in engine sound, etc..But i guess Mahindra is better than Tata and other vehicles. Well i guess you could compare your Innova and Scorpio(after both clocks good mileage) for the maintenance required.

Crazy cat wrote:
My uncles have Qualis and Scorpio(old 2.6 crde). Their driving habits are rash on most occasions. They both abuse their vehicles a lot. Both vehicles had frequent long trips. Qualis has clocked above 140000kms. Also it is maintained by a local mechanic. The only difference you could spot is loss in performance a bit. But the Scorpio(above 75k kms, not sure of its exact current mileage) on the other hand, has a hard clutch, lots of rattles, loss in power(again only less), change in engine sound, etc..But i guess Mahindra is better than Tata and other vehicles. Well i guess you could compare your Innova and Scorpio(after both clocks good mileage) for the maintenance required.

yes, i agree with you on this one. infact loss in power & change in engine sound are the problems in my old 2.6 non-crde scorpio now. it has 1.6 lakh kms on its odo. no reliability problems as such but the lack of power does bother me.

Crazy cat wrote:@RR, that's why i said it would sell more as Taxis. They aren't worried much about the looks. Qualis still has good resale value, compared to any car in its category(with similar model, year, mileage) and that too its value increased after it was phased out, and that means it would sell well if it is launched again(but yeah pricing should be in the 7 lakhs range). And i agree that it can't take modern Xylo straight.

@napster, but still it is better. With those small tyres, Qualis would handle better than the likes of Safari, Scorpio, etc.. But above 100, it isn't good.

@dcargod, we talk about the durability of the engines.

@raj, :lol!: Xylo is quite a good looker but spoilt in some areas, like headlight, etc..
And CRDe engine hasnot been tested extensively like the Qualis' engine. Heard once about a Qualis getting award for clocking more than 5 lacs km with any work on engine. Toyota's reliability.

Very true buddy. Our companys Qualis too has clocked 3lac km without having any engine work done to it till date.

@all- And i am surprised to see comparisons between scorpio n qualis.How can you compare SUV n MUV. And as far as the looks are concerned even there Xylo shouldnt be compared with Qualis. When Qualis was launched it sold more than what Xylo is selling today and even now Qualis has a high resale value.
Given a choice bet Xylo n Innova, i would surely go for Innova even though i have to spend more.

@CC, In the present scenario, people not only look at pricing but also at the car as a whole. I am pretty confident that the Qualis, launched at any price point would not sell because of Xylo and Innova. Only the Avanza stands some chance, but it too has to work very hard.

:agree: @dcargod.
These days people want a complete package and not only pricing. I am in favour of relaucnch of Qualis but not with the same style it sported at the time of its discontinuation. But with all new face n techs otherwise noone actually welcome an outdated car,whether it is Qualis or a Merc E250(early98 one).

Then, instead of going through all that trouble to bring back an aged vehicle, its much easier to launch the Avanza. Plus Avanza does part sharing with Innova, so pricing can be mouth watering as well.

if thats the case why will Toyota bring even Avanza to indian markets. It will rather upgrade its existing Innova rather than bringing Avanza which will eat up Innova sales.

Going by that logic, even the Qualis would have made a dent in Innova sales.

Well, to say, Innova is a class above the Xylo and other UV's.
It can be termed as a premium UV and does not have a worthy competitior, so it is being compared to Xylo, Grande etc.
Avanza is in Xylo's class and even though it is a Toyota, it cannot match the luxury and quality Innova has.
It is a proper utility vehicle like the Qualis and is as rugged as any other car of it's segment.

but guys wouldnt avanza from toyota dent sales of innova which is segment leading and class apart till now and was enjoying its space around, now if avanza which looks a good competetor to xylo might affect innova's sales, what say?

if the xylo can affect innova's sales this badly, then the avanze will definitely hit the innova real bad.

avanza may be a competitor for xylo, but i don't think it can be given for that price tag to compete with xylo's. Toyota has to plan hardly.

Looking at the results of poll, majority of people doesn't want Qualis to be launched again. How about another model from Toyota below Innova?